Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System’s Birkeland Current | Space News

Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System’s Birkeland Current | Space News

Welcome to Space News from
the Electric Universe, brought to you by The
Thunderbolts Project™ at 42 years ago, on separate dates more
than two weeks apart, two spacecraft were launched at Cape Canaveral, Florida with
the potential to rewrite our understanding of the solar system
and the interstellar environment. In the 1970s, the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2
spacecraft were designed with the intention of studying the
environments of Jupiter and Saturn, as well as the gas
giants’ respective moons. In 2012, scientists announced
that Voyager 1 had apparently become the first man-made
object ever to reach interstellar space. But what the spacecraft told us, about
the behaviors of the solar wind and the conditions at the
interstellar boundary, did not match space scientists’
theoretical predictions. In 2013, the lead author of
a paper in the journal Science told of the Voyager 1 data, “The
models that have been thought to predict what should happen are all
incorrect….We essentially have absolutely no reliable roadmap of
what to expect at this point.” And today, scientists have reported that
Voyager 2 has now also recently crossed the boundary into interstellar space and
again, the theoretical predictions based on standard solar physics
do not match discovery. Don Gurnett, the corresponding
author of a study published in the journal Nature
Astronomy, said to, “In a historical sense, the old idea that the
solar wind will just be gradually whittled away as you go further into
interstellar space is simply not true. We show with Voyager 2–and previously with
Voyager 1–that there’s a distinct boundary out there. It’s
just astonishing how fluids, including plasmas,
form boundaries.” Of course, the predictions of the
Electric Universe theory about the interstellar environment
and behavior of the solar wind, differ
dramatically from convention. The Electric Universe has always
proposed that a vast Birkeland current enters our solar system
and, in fact, powers the Sun. We asked retired professor
of electrical engineering, Dr. Donald Scott to offer his overview
of the Voyager 2 findings to date. Well, a few days ago, researchers at the
University of Iowa announced that space probe Voyager 2 left the Sun’s
heliosphere in late 2018 and entered what they think is the
interstellar medium. Its sister probe, Voyager 1 did
that earlier, that was back in 2012, and they announced that this latest
transition was signaled definitely by a, and they emphasized, the strong increase in
the plasma density measured by the probe. In other words, that probe
essentially went through what they refer to as “a
wall”, a boundary there between the heliosphere and
the interstellar medium. Well, these guys, astrophysics
in general is still in the mindset of fluid dynamics and gravity
only, so continuously hear words like winds and shocks and bow
waves and in fact, one typical astronomer commented
on this latest release. He said, “In a historic
sense, the old idea that the solar wind will just be gradually
whittled away as you go further into the interstellar space is simply not true.
No kidding. We show with Voyager 2–and previously with Voyager 1–that there is
a distinct boundary out there. It’s just astonishing how fluids,
including plasmas, form boundaries.” Well yes, in a sense, plasmas are
fluid but fluids are not plasmas, so… And do they form boundaries,
yes, you betcha. Again, they seem to be surprised
when they shouldn’t be surprised. We, in the Electric Universe,
realize that the discovery of an increase in the plasma
density is completely consistent with the electric Bessel function
model of a Birkeland current. So we’re not surprised at all,
the Electric Universe model of star formation, that is how the Sun
formed, is that it results from a z-pinch in a Birkeland current filament inside
our galaxy, and in our model, in the EU model, matter: that’s to
say ions, electrons, neutral atoms, molecules, etc, form
in concentric cylinders. So it’s quite probable that
the outer cylindrical layer of the Birkeland current is a region of
increased density and so, that’s what the EU would have expected in that, we don’t
look at it as a surprise or a discovery and it would be something
we would be looking for. It’s also true in the
classical plasma lab experiment; Alfven did them, Langmuir did them; there
is often a double layer of charge just outside the cathode,
just above the cathode. It’s called a cathode drop
and in the case of the heliosphere, the heliosphere
in the Electric Universe model is the outer layer of the
heliopause, serves as a virtual cathode. And so, thinking of it that way,
we would expect to see an increased density of matter just at the cathode,
and, in our model, the heliopause is the cathode, so that again is
what we would expect to see. Z-pinches have been long observed
in plasma labs throughout the world, and there’s nothing exciting to us
about them, but it’s very nice to see our ideas born true and see that,
that’s what they’re seeing. At the risk of boring people,
I think, I’ll point out yet again that when both mechanical and
fluid processes occur in a region where there’s also electrical forces involved,
those electrical forces are 10 to the 36th power times stronger than anything
gravity by itself can produce, so electricity is very important and
these folks have got to learn that. There’s a slide there that says The Sun’s
Environment, and on the left of the image there is a sketch showing how the
twisting current density and magnetic field tend to flatten out into
a disc, as you get closer and closer to the actual
location of the z-pinch. We’re looking sideways at what the Electric
Universe thinks is the Birkeland current that serves the Sun, and that
oval there in the middle is the, what we would say
would be the heliosphere. There in the center of that
diagram, you see sort of an X-Ray photograph of that
Birkeland current and the heliosphere,
the outer edges, is defined by the words
edge of the z-pinch, a filament cylinder on both sides there,
and so that’s, that sort of yellow cloudiness is those increased ions and
electrons and that sort of thing that demark the extent of
the Birkeland current, and in the center is the heliosphere, the Sun, a
very tiny dot right in the middle of that. That is a reasonable, sort of a
schematic of what the Electric Universe thinks is the heliosphere and the way
the Sun is situated. But actually a better image, the
hourglass shaped nebula M-29 and it’s, I think it’s perhaps the canonical
example of a cosmic z-pinch. You can see many of the aspects
of what I just said in that image, and you can see there’s at
least two visible layers outward along the Birkeland current,
and the locations of two possible double layers
easily seen there… The M-29 is a visible plasma entity
and such it has to be, of course, in plasma that’s in arc mode or at least
glow mode, in order for us to see it. If you look at the top of that image and the
very bottom, you can see that the plasma is beginning to disappear, it’s beginning
to turn into dark mode, because the electrical current density
is lower, the farther you get away
from the z-pinch. Clearly, our Birkeland current is in dark
mode, because otherwise you would see it. Well, if you take a closer look,
again a schematic of, looks like there’s some black lines that show
the shape of the Birkeland current on either side of the z-pinch,
you notice that where those lines form together, that I’m suggesting that it
looks as though the heliosphere itself is more of a sort of a, I hate to use the
word flying saucer, but that’s what it looks like, it’s like, it’s a sort of a
squished sphere and point a is inside of it, and if those two probes followed the
path a to b or a to c, they would have left the heliosphere but, however,
not left the Birkeland current. Had the Voyagers gone from a to d, that is
straight out, they would have left both the heliosphere and the Birkeland current
and gone out into the truly interstellar space. And you notice on there, there’s a
notation about the electrons combined here with solar ions to form ENAs. The IBEX mission and the satellite on
which the mission depended was a product of the Lockheed Martin corporation, and
the division of that Lockheed Martin was headed up by the late Dr. Jim Ryder. He’s a valued Electric
Universe scientist engineer, and I will say, a good
friend to many of us. We miss him. A report of the mission’s
initial results by the mainstream said, “…the interstellar
environment has far more influence on structuring the heliosphere than anyone
previously believed… No one knows what is creating the ENA (the energetic
neutral atoms) ribbon…” Now, this is what IBEX
discovered, that there were these energetic and neutral
atoms that they hadn’t expected to find, just
outside the heliosphere. Well, see a picture there of
what a classic plasma experiment would look like in the laboratory, with the anode
on the left and the cathode on the right, and of course you put a
higher voltage on the anode and ground the
cathode and what happens? Well, if you do it right, in the
middle of the tube there are, round somewhere where it says positive column,
neutral atoms are ionized by like electrons coming from the
cathode and so you get an ion. Ions are produced in there,
and the positive ion, that is to say, what’s left of the atom minus the
electron that’s popped off of it, it starts to move toward the right, where
it’ll be attracted, its positive charge attracted by the cathode
and repulsed by the anode. So eventually we get the stream
of positive ions heading toward the right, heading toward the
cathode and flooding out from the cathode are a stream of
electrons and what happens? Well, they recombine, there’s no such
thing as a positive ion traveling in the wire that goes out of the
cathode, you can’t do that. So, where the positive
ions end up are being neutralized by those electrons coming out of the
cathode and what’s the result? An electrically neutral atom, again, and so
that’s, there’s nothing magic about these electrically neutral atoms, these ENAs
are formed simply by recombination, and I interject my friends, it’s an electrical
process of the recombination of the negatively charged electron with
positively charged ion and that’s how you get the electrically neutral
atom out there at point d. One of the most, I think, most
interesting things to come out of this experience is that on
October 29th, in 2015, the NASA, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory issued another
press release and they said, Voyager 1 has now helped to solve
the interstellar medium mystery. I’m not sure what they
were referring to by the interstellar medium mystery but anyway, the quote from
the release that I find extremely interesting is, “Now researchers have
found that the direction of the magnetic field has been slowly
turning ever since the spacecraft crossed into
interstellar space.” OK, let’s say that again, they have
discovered that the direction of the magnetic field, that the spacecraft
observes, has been slowly turning, rotating ever since the spacecraft
crossed into interstellar space. They should have said it is ever since the
spacecraft left the heliosphere but because, as we saw in that previous
diagram with the three way pass; a to b, a to c, and a to d, they
left the heliosphere but stayed inside the
Birkeland current. That’s exactly what they would
have observed because, as you travel through a Birkeland current, the
magnetic field slowly rotates and slowly changes its direction as you
proceed farther and farther away from the central
axis of the current. One of the most important
properties of the Bessel function model of the Birkeland current is that
inside the current structure, the direction of the magnetic
field continually increases. Therefore, this announcement is a
supremely importantly in agreement with this inherent property of the EU, and my
conclusion is that the two spacecraft, or at least any one that measures
that continually rotating magnetic field, followed a
path like a to b and a to c. That means they have not really entered
the interstellar space, they’re still inside the Birkeland current, they’ve left
the heliosphere, that’s true, but until that magnetic field stops
rotating the farther out they get, they’re still
inside the Birkeland current. There’s several different points of
confirmation of our model and not theirs. These astrophysicists
have got to stop talking about fluid flows,
shocks, and bow waves, and they have to learn that real
entities such as Birkeland currents and double layers are important, and until
they do, their research will stagnate, just as their fruitless
search for dark matter has. These people have to begin to learn
about electricity in the cosmos.

100 thoughts on “Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System’s Birkeland Current | Space News

  1. This is obviously FAKE NEWS!! Only gravity, dark matter, dark energy, black holes, neutron stars, gravitons, shock waves, massive collisions, and whatever else is required to be invented to explain future new evidence, drive our universe. This is CONSENSUS SCIENCE arrived at starting nearly a century ago. We cannot allow mankind to go backward after so much has been established and proven. Thunderbolts Project is obviously a dangerous conspiracy channel that should be suppressed, for the sake of well respected scientists, our belief system, and the general public at large 😉

  2. When the best of all machinery and electro-mechanical systems man has made on Earth, since the steam engine, cannot last continuously at work for 60000 hours, at best, being eaten by wear and tear internal to matter and then into junkyards, how the Voyagers could conquer the laws of physics and keep functional all the last 50 years or so travelling in space?

  3. Greeting's, As a lay person with only a rudimentary grasp of electricity, the explanations provided make perfect sense. It seems that 'modern' science is reluctant to break form outdated theories and see the real cause and effect of the electric universe. Thank you and be safe.

  4. I don't quite see how an increase in density outside the heliosphere would follow from the Bessel function model and even more so – the Z-pinch idea.
    Z-pinch tends to actually increase the density inside of it, so you'd expect a higher density within the heliosphere rather than beyond its boundary – the whole point of pinching is the compression of plasma under the influence of the magnetic field until the density and temperature would rise so high that the dynamic pressure would counteract the magnetic pressure.
    And Bessel function (as well as a typical Z-pinch) is cylindrical, whereas the heliosphere is spherical (actually, there is some debate in that regard).

  5. "These people have to learn about electricity in the cosmos!"

    Read "The Electric Sun" by Professor Don Scott and all this EU stuff will suddenly make sense.

    Have Fun

  6. Outstanding, I believe understanding the Electric Universe is the answer to interstellar travel and other unimaginable possibilities. Only if Mainstream would open to the facts that are right there in their faces!

  7. Welcome to front row of the greatest science show you’ve ever seen! Enjoy watching the frontier of human knowledge breakthrough the boundaries of human knowledge right before your eyes. Welcome to the greatest show on earth. And it’s all real!

  8. Keep stacking up the proof TBP. I prefer it when my science comes with predictive powers rather than being continually surprised at reality.

  9. Unfortunately the old timers don't want to see the proof. It is an electric universe and why things come together and why things are flung apart.

  10. brilliant nailed it it is rapidly becoming the year of the brikland current also today 'see the pattern ' you tuber had a good video on a possible reflection from in the current itself like thru fiber wire its good hypothesis also the dogmatic crap of the big bang model is shit how in the universe can a self respecting scientist live with themselves for following this garbage so ignorantly with out using a real scientific process

  11. 😐Planet Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and the universe is older then 13.5 billion years. I take everything as a theory.

    The age of the universe is a hypothesis! 13.772 billion years with an Uncertainty of 59 million years with current understanding of Astrophysics. Dark matter, and dark energy is only A theory it is not factual. We don’t know if intergalactic space, interstellar space, and interplanetary space is a different composition of dark material, Because: we can’t see dark mater and energy, or the concentration of this invisible force between the three spaces. This invisible, unstudied mass, could be causing a Doppler shift with our technology making it appear or universe is smaller, or bigger than what it really is.

    Gravity is a weak force! I’m surprised passing stars did not perturb the outer planets, but electricity is far more powerful than gravity. Leaving me to believe everything is held in place with electrical forces. This would turn astrophysics upside down, the life expectancy of stars would be wrong, and there would be no beginning or the end to the universe.

  12. Great! Electric Universe people should concentrate on provable science in the here and now, not on creating totally unprovable pseudo-religious scientific myths about ancient sky formations based on deciphering dusty old mythology to agree with a predetermined premise.

  13. EU theory trickles down to the other sciences…..Weather patterns can be looked at in a new light. Its not CO2 its the sun.

  14. so my understand of why astronomers don't want to deal with electromagnetism instead of gravy is "we can't see that." is that correct?

  15. Well said, and so true. Repeatedly failed hypothesis should tell them something. The EU model is the most exciting thing since the geocentric theory was debunked!

  16. I said the Sun was an "anode" a long long time ago and now I understand how the cathode side works thanks to Dr. Scott.

  17. I think our scientists in their so called discovery phase, need to be replaced by people who know whats going on. This guy spells it out for them. Maybe they need to bow out, and let the real experts take over.

  18. NASA have never shown one REAL  single picture of earth TAKEN  from OUTER SPACE not one AUTHENTICATED PICTURE  HAS EVER BEEN PROVEN TO EXIST ( EVER )  Notting has ever and can ever leave EARTHS ATMOSPHERE I MEAN Notting,,  no MARS rovers, no HUBBLE space telescope, NO  MOON WALK has ever taken place ,  not even the international space station exists,  its notting  but a projectile a piece of fly by junk..
    If your given a foundation of lies in your head to work off , you will find yourself lost and needlessly questioning and searching for answers for the rest of your life .


  19. Great stuff and yet more evidence in favour of EU. The temperature of the plasma is not mentioned here and I think its very important. As the probe passes along the BC after leaving the heliosphere the plasma temperature is way higher as well as having a higher density and twisting. A Safire ‘plus’ experiment is needed to show this in the lab but it would need to be enormous!

  20. how are we in contact with the Voyagers? radio? something that's always bothered me, because I'm thinking: "5 years ago this is the information we received today" or is radio as fast as light?????

  21. So, what is the resonant frequency and voltage to be rectified, amplified and focused for energetic propulsion within the dielectric? Everything is bandwidth limited and frequency based… light has a rate of inductance, not a speed…

  22. I love the idea that the sun is powered by electricity. How can we get free power from the universe? I know the initial set-up will cost a lot of capital and that the maintenance will cost money. But the long term power feed will free humanity.

  23. I first heard of the universe being electric from a video with Lt. Col Thomas Bearden titled pulling energy from a vacuum. Didn't grasp the concept at the time but after watching over 70% of the videos here it all makes sense.

    I understand why the physics I was taught totally misrepresents or skips electricity's impact on the universe as a whole.

  24. This is true science, I am so glad I stumbled upon you guys. Amazing to be part of something that will undoubtedly be a paradigm shift at one point. Imagine what could be unlocked if we put our full potential on this. I wish this kind of serious science could be used in other areas aswell.

  25. The implications of EU for biology is just unimaginable. We are in the beginning of a great scientific revolution. It's technological ramifications will take us into a whole new age.

  26. yepp. seen startrek voyager. does not mean i am that restricted to believe hollywood is my reality. look at you gullible toddlers. have a good look at yourself. really. voyager two. lol. wake up and do forensics on your fiction reality !!! now !

  27. Excellent stuff……in other news scientists have found a " black hole 3.3 times the mass of the sun" they apparently just found…..I wonder what fairies they will invoke to explain that being possible

  28. No guesses as to who the nine individuals that disliked this video might be…. They're the ones with egg on their faces. ;-))

  29. Your very last sentence should be put on a tshirt. It completely sums up why mainstream is clueless to the mechanics of our cosmos. When they finally realize gravity is simply a byproduct of the magneto-dielectric relationship, progress will ensue. I think.

  30. A war on Dogmatic science!

    Scientists build all their models, assuming that the speed of light is constant throughout the all universe!

    This is fifty fifty the last time I checked. fifty fifty!

    It's really ridiculous!

    Science is Make believe!?

    LOve and Light

  31. Awesome video!
    I think the main stream scientists accepted what was being thought in classes with out thinking deeply about it, and now they are in a faulty system and are trying to fix it. Just look at the body of work the great Feynman put into it. A chaotic system can be controlled by small perturbations, but its always at the verge of bifurcating into chaos. Further more the control well only function within a confined region. Very much analogous to modern physics.

  32. Interested to read about the meteorite impacts craters in BASALT flood areas. Further amazed to see that Brazil's flood basalt region is so massive; it stretches from south to north appearing like a scorpion pattern on the ground. There are 3 impacts there. The Indian crater LONAR in the Deccan Trapps and the Siberian LOGANCHA in the Siberian Trapps are the two others. Could it be that an active flood basalt region electromagnetically draws meteorites to the surface of the Earth. One conjectures that the Tungusta was an air burst was due to encountering strong electro magnetic resonance. I further suspect this was the cause of the Indian Mars satellite going astray as soon as it entered an unexpected electromagnetic atmosphere.

  33. Confirmation of rotation magnetic fields positions the satellites inside the Birkeland Current. Thank you for science clarification, Dr Scott.

  34. It feels to me this rotating magnetic field is the strongest confirmation of the EU & Birkeland Current I have seen presented here.

  35. Let me stop you right now. Your going off into fantasy. Your now in the same boat as the mainstream and sinking fast. We (the vast majority of people) know NASA has been lying for the last 60 years and theres no Voyager satellites. Shame because you gave us such promise but you couldn't resist the NASA bait. How can we trust your output when the line between fantasy and reality is blurred in such a way.

  36. Until someone shows me the actual calculations based on eu that match the observed planetary motions in the past 100-200 years, you are just a bunch of clowns in my eyes.

  37. I’m still marvelling over the batteries on the Voyager 2. It’s been in Space for 43 years. My laptop battery only managed about 8 years.

  38. Tesla was working on towers to harvest electricity over a century ago when Edison and the banks forced him into bankruptcy. Now the FBI still has his papers, and the powers that be in science refuse to think about the obvious potential. It’s as though Western civilization has a death wish. So depressing.

  39. But don,wouldn't the radiation be to high for radio signals to pierce ,that's why it's a bit daft looking for alien signals,because they couldn't penetrate the radiation coming from any planet,making me concerned as to how voyages are still transmitting signals were allegedly picking up.would that mean their not in installer space yet?.

  40. The astrophysicists resist the electric universe, because they don't realize just how small we are..they see a lightning bolt flash, and think that is the greatest force in the universe. They aren't thinking big, at least 93 trillion light years big.

  41. Thunderbolts friends. Please consider signing up at Bitchute. Its a growing platform that doesn’t censor channels that aren’t politically correct. You can set up your account so that whatever you upload here is automatically uploaded there as well. So it doesn’t require any additional work to share your valuable content with a lot more people.
    I am certain that I am not alone in avoiding youtube as much as possible since their shift toward thought policing.

  42. honestly this channel along with safire team should have MILLIONS of followers. Let's keep it up! Tell your friends! simple heat death is not the only theory and with it comes far more interesting things and even possibly a cure for modern science witty but yet depressed-nihilism. : ) xoxo all

  43. So many questions. How old is the solar system? How does evolution work in this theory? Is everything infinitely connected? I am not real am I.

  44. Jesus….how are these guys that run these projects so completely ignorant of electrical and plasma properties? They are literally looking at galactic scale plasma discharges that look almost exactly like something that's been done in a lab 50-100 years ago or could be done in any high school science class today. "We've never seen anything like this…who could've ever guessed the results would be like this? Give us a billion more dollars to study it more" Hur dur there is a guy on youtube telling you exactly what you're looking at.

  45. Generally. When people are incompetent, they get fired. These university quackademics and NASA asstronomers don't have to learn a damn thing. They've got their story and their sticking to it.
    Science can go to hell. Keep those government paychecks rolling.

  46. NaziScience dogmas for the last 100 years are based on a particular philosophical Darwinism which has demonstrated no relation to physical reality, but only the wishful thinking of self-reinforcing circular secularists imagining long gradual uniform tiny changes for billions of years in stable environs.
    Catastrophism and sudden changes just didn't fit their story. Censorship and propaganda are being used successfully even today. GravityWaves and BlackHoles have now been proven facts, didn't you hear, like GlobalWarming and happy Chinese comrades in Hong Kong.

  47. The problem with EU theory is how "certain" you are about so many things which are unproven and/or in violation of conventional solar theory. It makes sense that there are E/M forces in space we haven't accounted for. It does NOT make sense that "the sun is powered by an external current." Sorry but anyone who is "convinced" of that is just a kook.

  48. …in other words…

    1a) we can no longer deny tht our universe is as a domed sea-erth plane…

    1b) of course th universe/th domed sea-erth plane is powrd by electromagnetism…Lght Dynamics-reflection, absorption & refraction of lght, th glass like domed, th gret lghts-sun & moon, th stars, th watr, th atmosphere, mountains, lava- magma flows, metal, elements-evrythng works 2gether as a seemingly enclosed  precision living-breathng machine…

    2) th hght apex is no more than 400 miles-more likely, 360 mi hgh…all th space gibberish we put out is just to confuse ppl so tht they don't expose our lies…

    3) th heliosphere is just th altitude of our sun inside th dome…evry1 can see tht th sun is close & local & most importantly, orbits th sea-erth plane-thts how & why we designed planetariums n th way tht we do…

    4) to navigate thru our maze of lies, just take wht we tell u & put it under a dome of about a 360 mi hgh apex wth a sea-erth plane crcmfrnc of about 72000 mi…ths will weed out a lot of our disney-nasa nonsense-fairytale-sci fi scientism…

    5) then take our gradient atmosphere-tht has to hv a solid & pretty close containment to exist as it does-take tht & shrink it down to fit undrthdome & wthn th area of th sea-erth plane…

    6a) so take th troposhere & pause, as they say…
    take th stratosphere & pause, as they say (all stars, meteors-comets hv to hv water, vapor to form ice-to reflect lght & twinkle n th case of stars…all water & water vapor is 99% in 1st 6mi-th troposhpere & th rest of 1% is n lower stratosphere…(evr wonder why folks report not seeing stars during hgh altitude nght air-plane flights…)

    6b) keep going up to th mesosphere, ions sphere & so on… (u r getting closer & closer to th sun's & moon's altitudes…) th sun altitude ranges from about 254 mi, down to 134 mi-ths spiral orbit, up & dwn is yur so call heliosphere…th moon has an orbital path a little bit lower than th sun's peak altitude at summer solstice (for ppl center north/navel north of th  equator…)

    6c) th thermosphere includes th heliosphere, ions sphere & uppr mesosphere & pause…

    6d) u guessed it-there is no exosphere-thts more of our (disney-nasa) fairytale imagination…

    7a) now ask yurself:
    isn't a domed sea-erth plane easier on th logical mind & easier & possible to practice/model than our heliocentricism shape-shiftng spheroid tht contains oceans of water on its outside convex surface, while rotating, orbiting & whirling thru an endless vacuum of space-tht has no practical containment but uses a magical but inconsistent force called gravity, tht contains th oceans to ths convex surface but can't contain butterflies & eagles (& ths when buoyancy & sinking-relative density of an object to its surrounding medium, explains all consistently & rationally?…)…ths is why we offer no & hv never offered practical downscale models of our supposings of heliocentricism & a shape-shiftng spheroid sea-erth … 

    7b) come on…stop egging us on…let's not continue to perpetuate th disney-nasa fairy tale/sci-fi scientism-we're tired of coming up with lies to explain/cover up our lies…

    7c) ppl know that th domed sea-erth plane is th plane truth…
    terri a.

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